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Geopolitics and Empire is joined by Jonathan J. Cooey, who is a biologist and founder of Welcome to Geopolitics and Empire, Jay. Hey, thank you very much for having me. Well, it's a real pleasure. Yeah, and thanks for coming on. I've been following your work for quite a while and you gave an amazing talk a couple weeks ago on your Twitch. Link is in the description, two and a half hour talk. And I think you're really getting close to what's been going on with COVID. I've been trying to get to the bottom of Operation COVID-1984, as I call it. And again, I was blown away by your nuanced attempt at trying to explain it. And as I was telling you before the interview, I conducted the first interview with the Bioweapons Act author, Francis Boyle, in January of 2020. His thesis that the crown virus is a biowarfare weapon that leaked from the lab. My interview went viral, got deleted, the Associated Press wrote a hit piece on us. And I've also interviewed people like Danny Rancourt in Quebec, who's I love his work as well. And he says there's no evidence of a virus. My view has always been that COVID, whatever COVID is, Operation COVID was a manufactured and planned event, given so many pandemic simulations being carried out, and that it was either a sort of low level bioweapon release or there was not a virus, you know, it was just a manufactured false flag. I'm not a no viruser. And I also never believed that we were in a pandemic, by definition or in any real danger. And so maybe if you could just lay out your thesis for us lay people as to, you know, what you think, you know, what in the heck has been and is still going on with COVID.

Well, thanks. First of all, let me applaud you for being in the minority of people who were brave enough to still apply common sense in the face of a media barrage, which suggested that we had no previous experience that we could apply to this new situation. And it has taken me really an extraordinary length of time to awaken to which parts of this are biologically plausible and which parts are not simply because, like most of us were, some aspect of this narrative became too seductive to disregard and figured into our interpretation of reality for a very, very long time, a series of assumptions that were put into our heads by social media and TV news and also just intuition led us to these assumptions, right? And some of the most extraordinary changes are happening behind the scenes among, you know, learned people. You're not going to see this on TV, but there is a huge group of individuals, of biologists, of doctors, chemists, lawyers, that are all becoming aware of this cognitive dissonance that we've all been engaged in much longer than from 2020, but there was a sort of exponential rise in the disconnect between what we knew before the pandemic and what we apparently know now. And the answers to all those questions were, of course, monopolized by those people on TV. And it was that monopolization of the narrative which made it very seductive to see the leaked information as evidence of the real crime. And so most of us were led along this, you know, mystery solving sleuthing thing, where the conclusion, the only conclusion you could come to was that they were covering up the fact that this must be a lab leak. And if you then tried to apply that new revelation to the TV data, what you came up with was, for most people, what you would come up with is, oh my gosh, this is a disaster, a kind of Chernobyl, you know, lost control, it's mankind's hubris, which has brought us to the brink of total elimination because these people have no respect for nature. And I think it was being challenged a number of times over the last two years to try and understand the group or the mindset that you mentioned earlier, which is this no virus mindset. It's a large, actually a very umbrella term to describe people who are in any range of skeptic about allopathic medicine and the Western model of disease. It doesn't mean necessarily that you don't believe in the current child vaccine schedule. It could just mean that you believe that water has memory. It's a really amorphous group of people that inevitably somewhere along the line gets connected to completely ridiculous science. And so for me, it was very difficult to grasp how it was that there were some people that were very sharp that were on this no virus side that seemed to be able to apply a pretty sharp level of scrutiny to certain aspects of the pandemic, but then completely not any just willy nilly discounting, you know, 60 years of biology to make their point or to sell their book. And so I've, you know, I've had clashes or bumped heads with people on our side because I'm, I want to listen to them. I want to understand what it is about their, their objections to the pandemic narrative that are okay and, and give them ground to stand on. And it was in exploring their interpretations of the isolation papers, their interpretations of the meta sequencing papers that led me to start to think about and realize that, wow, so much of what we know about coronavirus is actually not done from wild harvested Corona viruses, but from sequences that were detected in the wild and then replicated in a DNA cloning technology form. And so to make it as simple as possible for people who are listening and RNA virus copies itself in your cells and that copying process, because it is a, it is a RNA based process, it has many more errors that can occur than when DNA is replicated. For example, when a bacteria copies its genome and then, and then make copies of itself by division by splitting that, that kind of replication is much higher fidelity. And so that results in, in a, in a, a loose collection of virons that are genetically very closely related to one another, but can have point mutations, which are often not advantageous. And that results in Corona viruses being very difficult to grow in culture. They're very difficult to isolate in the wild because again, there's something about the way that the coronavirus replicates and we still don't understand it. That's part of the argument that I'm making. We still don't understand fully how a coronavirus manages to replicate its giant genome with such high fidelity, despite the fact that it's using RNA. That's part of the reason why a lot of these no virus people are constantly attacking the sequencing part, because they would argue that somewhere in here, they're, they're implying a fidelity that they can't have because viruses don't, they don't even go that far. They just say that they can't have this fidelity, but in, in trying to nail down what we know and don't know about coronavirus. I noticed a video in April of 2021 where a guy by the name of Robert Malone is explaining a coronavirus infection and he made this statement that the, there is a large majority of the particles that are made during replication, which are replication incompetent. And the reason why the replication is incompetent is because during the assembly of their genome or the copying of their genome, and it's not really clear which is which, there are possibilities where the bare minimum amount of genetic material, the requisite genes that are required to replicate in the next cell aren't present. And surprisingly in the few ways that they've tried to measure this, it does seem that it's a quite large proportion of the virions that are produced aren't actually fully equipped to replicate. And so this is a very different model of infection than what the PBS NewsHour or Bill Gates would tell you that you're infected with a Delta variant and all the variants that come out of your mouth are Delta variant virus is instead a lot of the virions that come out of your mouth can't copy in the next cell that they're going because they're missing genes. And so this is a different form, but part of the total swarm of viruses that's in somebody when they're, when they're infected. It's not only a genetic swarm of closely related viruses due to the way that RNA replicates, but it's also a collection of misassembled or partially complete genomes that result in non-transmissibility for those particles.

Just to recap then, so what you're saying is that there, you know, there are these, there is this infectious disease or virus going on, but it's just, it's so weak, it's not really a threat because they're like bad copies coming out. Is that sort of what you're saying? I'm saying that yes, the, the natural manifestation of a coronavirus is significantly less dangerous because of the way it manifests genetically. That is completely avoided when one like Ralph Baric started in 2002 or a little bit earlier, we were doing it with other viruses, but it took a while for the molecular techniques to all coalesce where we could do such a genome as large as a coronavirus. But before that, we'd done it with smaller viruses. But essentially around the year 2002 or so, it became possible to make cDNA constructs, which were large enough to contain the whole genome of an RNA virus. The advantage being that you can copy DNA very high fidelity. So if you took that DNA and you've made many copies of it by either expressing it in a vaccinia virus, which is one of the ways they do it nowadays, or grow it in a bacterial culture where you, you incorporate it into a bacterial plasmid so that when the bacteria grows, it's just making copies of your virus, our DNA, then later you can harvest that DNA from the bacteria and cut out that part of the virus that you want. That little piece of cDNA then perfectly encodes your virus in a DNA form. And you have as many copies as you care to make. Now you can take that cDNA in any number of ways by putting it into a viral culture, I sorry, a cell culture, or even I would imagine there would be commercial ways to just add a transcriptase to it so that you could convert the DNA to RNA. But if you copy that DNA into RNA, the RNA that you make will be a pure perfect copy of the RNA of the virus that you started with to make the cDNA. And every copy that you make from the cDNA will be a perfect copy. And that's very different than what would happen if you took that RNA and you let it copy itself using RNA dependent RNA polymerase from the virus. And that difference means that in a dish in a laboratory, I can create a pure infectious clone version of something that I saw a shadow of in the wild and compare that clone to another clone of a different shadow that someone found in a cave in Wuhan. And then those clones will definitely grow in a cell culture and definitely produce plaques. They will definitely produce enough RNA for it to be detected with PCR for it to be neutralized by antibodies. All of the kinds of in vitro experiments are completely doable if you start with a clone because you will have sufficient infectious RNA to have anything start to begin with. If you rely on this natural form of the coronavirus and you try to grow it in a 96 well plate, maybe only eight of those wells will ever produce a plaque. And so then you have to start with those and each of those will be different and they will change as they move. So if you send it to your friend in Ottawa, what you sent to him will be different than what you use in your laboratory because it's copying itself, it's changing all the time. Whereas if you start with that clone from the freezer every time, then you can send it to your friend in Ottawa. He's always starting at the same place you are. And that sounds like a wonderful thing from the perspective of learning how these things work and being able to do experiments that are comparable to one. It makes sense scientifically, except you're making a purity of these viruses that cannot, does not ever exist in nature. And therefore you're creating a kind of risk that isn't gain of function. It's just, it's just different. It's like you're studying uranium under a microscope. You study uranium with a bunch of different measuring tools. Oh no, I would like to make it highly pure and then pressurize it until it explodes. Well, that's a different kind of study. And I would argue that if coronavirus requires you to make a clone in order to study it, it may be that's too dangerous of a form and we need to find other ways or other ways of monitoring it, but the concept that you could go into, and this is the key concept that you could go into a bat cave and get really unlucky every thousand years and bring back a pandemic is completely wrong. The idea that someone could go to a bat cave, collect a virus and grow a little bit in a laboratory and have it go around the world is false because of the nature of a coronavirus RNA swarm. But if you made enough of it, you could easily infect a city. You could easily create a spread, which for a very brief period of time, because of the purity could move from person to person with extreme symptoms could move from a point release in Wuhan to Italy and to Washington state into a couple other places. And for a very brief period of time, be very impressive and move in a way that was hard to describe because again, remember it's starting out pure and then being carried around at a viral load and a purity that never ever would have existed if it was a person really coming out of a bat cave and getting off a train in Wuhan and going to the market. This is kind of sounding then like my original, you know, I don't have a definitive theory. I think this is the, you know, scientific process. We hold these different hypotheses and we're trying to figure out which one is making the more sense over time with new information.

And it's kind of like a low level bio weapon. I mean, people say, people argue that, oh, if they wanted to create a bio weapon, then this is the worst bio weapon ever. I mean, you can create different, you know, categories or there are people just to give a shout out. There's a person by the name of Kevin McCairn, who's been arguing this exact thing from the beginning. The best bio weapon is not even that lethal. It is a, one of the arguments you could make is, for example, if this bio weapon made everyone who got infected with it have pink dots, we would know right away who had it. We would track it very easily and there would be no way to weaponize that except for with the red dots, right? But this didn't have that. This had an extra layer of, you don't know if you have it or not, because the only way you could know is to test because asymptomatically it was there. There were levels of this ghost that heretofore just have not existed before. The concept that someone could be asymptomatically infected with a virus and that was a significant point of data before 2020 was never done. And that was a system wide across the globe adopted standard, which allowed them to really invert how we think about all cause mortality and focus on one cause, which is just impossible.

But what you're saying and what Kevin McCairn has been arguing for a long time is that a virus that doesn't kill very many people, but it's trackable and is accompanied by the right kind of messaging could have easily set a scenario where even if you just make a bunch of people sick and overload the hospitals, but don't kill anyone, that could be a pretty effective bioweapon. But even worse, if you could just get people to panic and think that's happening and that's where this becomes, I think, quite frightening because then you need to start being introspective from the American side and wonder at what point have we realized that, wow, we really went overboard here. We might have made, it might have gone overboard and no one seems to realize that yet. No one seems, they just keep adding more numbers to how many people died from COVID and they keep saying that we need to go forward with this plan because this is working.

And that's what frightens me the most because at this stage, the Scooby Doo should be over if it's really China against America. Because we should have said, whoa, man, they fooled us. I thought this was going to be a lot worse than it was. And now we've got to get our act together and start improving the average American's health with better nutrition and this kind of thing, but no, nothing like that is happening right now. So now it becomes much more frightening. But I would agree just to circle back that the implications of my current thinking are that it would require very little actual on the ground viral dying and viral sickness accompanied with a very beautiful, highly orchestrated campaign of what not to do, which is don't use any antibiotics. You have no idea what to do. Everything will work and do that around the globe. You could get the same result. And that's what's frightening.

Yeah. And then to get here. So I'm with you so far. It's making sense. But then was this accident for me, it seems I was all planned and intentional because you can sort of see this article, as you said, we're still in it. And it's like a low level, let's say a bioweapon and it's everyone's on board, US, China. And it seems like it's all countries versus their own populations because I've had guests on who said it's a US bioweapon against China and Iran, others who have said it was a Russian Chinese bioweapon against the West. But it seems like everyone is on board and then they're applying this sort of biomedical security state, this biosecurity regime against us. And just your thoughts on where is this coming from? Where is this emanating from? Where's the power center behind what's going on?

I mean, I got to say, man, this is the million dollar question. I think you're nailing it on the head because at some point, it's my feeling that everyone was fooled. And so it's just a question of when we could all still be fooled. I think that's probably the best bet at this stage to still put your chips on that. But for me, it feels like a double cross. So I could try to explain it. But essentially, it feels like a double cross. Imagine a scenario where America and USAID and EcoHealth Alliance were trying to set up a trail of publications and ideas, which made it seem like America wasn't going to weaponize coronavirus because we were smart enough. We put a ban on it. But America didn't because we did it over there. And we published papers with them over there. So it's not like we really hit it at all. And the Chinese could have seen it coming, right? The Chinese could have easily seen this coming and said, sure, we'll do your experiments for you. We'll open that lab for you. And then at some point, I don't know when the play started. But whenever the play started, now we're seeing the two sides, you know, reacting to realizing that whoops, we didn't fool them and who's whoops, we didn't fool them. I don't really know. But that's what this feels like. It feels like a double cross and somewhere everybody's still stuck on their bluff, waiting for the other side to crack or waiting for the other side to make a mistake or or or maybe there was a Yeah, I don't know how to speculate beyond that. But it feels much more like a double cross than it does China versus the West or something like this, which I think is was at some point a very seductive, you know, very seductive narrative. But I just don't think it fits the complications up until this stage, because the West is not behaving that way. And the East is not behaving this way, and and all the players in between are are seeming to go along somehow in a very Yeah, it's very, very dubious to me. I mean, we're not even talking about Ukraine or all this other nonsense that's going on in the world that I can't pay attention to because it's too unrelated to the biology. But it just feels it feels very much like an intended amount of swamp. Yeah, and again, for me, one of the biggest issues is the whole I call it the algorithm ghetto, the biomedical security state, the QR codes, the digital passports. And when I ask myself, you know, what's the real endgame here, you know, the classic qui bono benefits, I mean, if there was no pandemic threat, as you said, it's like a low level, let's say flu or whatever, over time, it just dissipates. But the consequences of everything that is going on, it seems to be pretty much them planning to lock us down forever, you know, putting into a prison, putting us into a prison planet, you got lockdowns that they're led putting into law permanently. These digital ID digital passports, it's going to control at a minute level, everything, whether you can buy or sell, whether you can work, whether you can travel, not just internationally, but between states in your own country, even here in Mexico, where I am, Mexican governors have proposed internal Soviet passports where, you know, I suppose they wouldn't be able to leave my state or enter if I didn't have a vaccine certificate, they're talking about changing the state constitution to make mandatory injections. So just your thought on this aspect, I mean, I think all of this is mostly about establishing a global disorder, dystopian surveillance state for population control. But there's also elements of depopulation, you know, if you want to comment on the control as well as the adverse effects of the Pentagon juices, I like to call it the DARPA gene therapy. So I think that the overarching idea here is, you know, I don't know how old you are. I'm 51. Am I 51? I'm going to be 51 in January. The overarching idea here is to convince the young adults that they themselves and more importantly, their children should be genetically and and biologically monitored for their whole lives in an effort to collect the data necessary to make the next medical advance, which is this idea that we're going to make medicine just for you, tailored to your genome, which the FDA can never check because it's made just for you, and we don't need to have any more monitoring of production of medicine ever again. And I think that this starts with, first of all, you know, getting rid of this idea that you have any say over what goes into your body if the state decides that everybody's required to be transfected, that everybody's going to be transfected. And that, I think, was already demonstrated with the college kids who are in America where I am the only people really, besides some old folk, wearing masks, our college kids. And it's extraordinary how many college kids are wearing masks at their day job, when they're at a restaurant or at a coffee shop or something like that, the whole place has no masks except for that person between the age of like 20 and 24. And those are the people that were targeted for complete submission. I mean, they had to take all the shots, do all the testing, isolate whenever they were positive, they had to wear their masks in all their classes and on all their campuses. And so this level of submission is not going to be let go. I mean, they might relax it for a little bit, but it seems almost inevitable because I really do think that this is the deal. They can't depopulate us because they have not collected the data that's here. And I made this point on other podcasts, but if you think about the idea that the biological models and also the depopulation mythology suggests that 10 billion people is already way too much, we might peak at 11 billion, but we need to go down much lower and the numbers are anywhere from 500 million to 2 billion people. But anyway, you cut it, the amount of diversity, the amount of, if I can use this term without sounding like a racist, but the number of mixed breed humans that are on the planet right now, which represent unique genetic assortments, which have the potential to be correlated with a unique medical history, which if you think about it, like a go game or a chess game are individual instances of the human game. Then in order to teach an AI how to win at the human game, you need as many instances of the human game as possible, as many genomes correlated to as much phenotypic medical data as possible. And that data needs to be collected before any AI will ever be able to win. And so even though that AI might not exist, a lot of these transhumanist people that are running the secret meetings in the background understand this from a 3000 or 30,000 foot level that without that data, no AI is going to figure out anything. So they need to get data from babies, like genetic data from babies, and then all the medical data from that kid's life, ideally, and as many of them as possible. And so this is a it's a multi, definitely a multi year plan to try and remodel the way we think about our stewardship of our bodies and, and the stewardship of our children. And so it's not going to they're not going to get us, they're not going to get me or, or any of us, they're trying to get our kids to buy into that idea. And I really, I feel that in my heart, I think that's why they went so hard on the college kids this last couple years. Yeah, and I would agree with you, you've mentioned that in previous talks, I mean, it's also one factor is this transhuman transhumanist idea that these elites have. And you know, they want an Elysium, they want immortality, I think that they truly believe that they can do it. It's the you know, it's the age old, you know, alchemy thing. I think, you know, Ray, I've read Ray Kurzweil takes 200 pills a day supplements because he's hoping to remain alive until you know, this singularity comes. I think it's fantasy, I don't think it's possible. What do you think? I would agree with you without a doubt. I think that from what I find very interesting, a little microcosm of this is that before I lost my job as an academic biologist, I was a neurobiologist. And that meant that I worked on microscopes and brain slices of mice. But it also meant that I read all of this, this neuroscience stuff. And I've met all these people and talked to them and looked at their experiments and read their papers, sometimes I have been reviewed them. And so I'm keenly aware of where the cutting edge is in neuroscience in terms of how we monitor circuits, how we can perturb them and and and see how they work. And of course, you're probably aware, we analyze more than just human brains, we work on primate brains and insect brains and small mammals like rats and ferrets and mice and everything in between for anatomy and also for behavior. There are people who work on bat brains for behavior, for example. So this idea of monitoring neuronal messaging, neuronal circuitry, and then augmenting it with any number of physical or chemical methodologies is what cutting edge neuroscience is all about and what what transhumanist superhero of Twitter and Neuralink creator Elon Musk does with those pigs and those monkeys is really not that amazing. And in fact, from a neuroscience perspective has already been demonstrated to be something that could never be commercially used on a primate that you wanted to live for a long time because you can't make a hole in a mammal's brain and put something in there and then have the mammal live a long and healthy life afterward. It's just not possible. And no matter how you sterilize it or what you do to it, the body will recognize it as foreign, it will have infections, it will cause pain, it will. There's just very little way to see how this could become a commercially viable human product. And yet social media and television and newspapers are promoting this as the start of of a technological revolution that will result in your phone interfacing with your brain. And everybody's just going to line up to have his robot surgeon implanted. And it's just all again, as you said, it's it's it's the ranos in a sense. It's like we're going to prick your blood and I'm going to tell you all the diseases you're going to get throughout your lifetime is a is a is a mythology. And and I do believe that it is very likely that much of the much of the biology that has been presented over the last three years as being crucial and vital to understand and follow by Fauci and these other people is largely mythology. That is largely an exaggeration about the natural form of coronavirus. And the the the easy interpretation is, is that they're lying to you about it because they overextended and they had something leak and now everybody has had this experience where they got sick from something that they never would have gotten sick from hadn't these people hadn't these people released this virus. And what's problem with that is there's a million problems with that. But the worst one is and the one that I try to remind everyone about it is that can you remember when it was when you were in high school that you were the sickest? Most people say, no, I can't. And I said, what about in college? I'm not sure. And you know, the fact that you can remember back to 2019 and you had a really bad, painful while I thought I was going to die only means that pathogens and respiratory viruses exist. That's all it means. It doesn't mean that. Oh, of course it was a laugh. That's the evidence I needed. It cleared it all up. But so many people because of the way that the TV and social media has greased these wheels that the moment they put one and two together, it's like, wow, it's it makes perfect sense. No wonder I was so sick. It was a lab virus, gee whiz, man, oh, man, and and that gee whiz is happening across the board. That's how you know it's wrong. It's happening on the left. It's happening on the right. It's happening all over the place. I can even find teachers at my kid's school now that will say that it's a lab virus. And that's why we've got to be extra careful still. And so this mythology works perfect for the people that are running the show. Perfect for this for the people running the show. And I'm still trying to figure out the game, because as you say, this stuff isn't this transhuman stuff isn't possible. So are they really dumb enough to believe it? I mean, I don't doubt some of them are drinking the Kool-Aid and they're thinking and hoping that some of this stuff will work. But others, you know, the elites know it's not possible. So then again, what what are they doing? You know, I think the other shoe comes to about control for controlling us. And you also mentioned, you know, thoughts on that. And you've also mentioned previously, to get a little geopolitical. We had the whole Cold War nuclear war threat. And you talking about how they sort of want to transfer it over to the 21st century, sort of new Cold War, biological war scare. There are people who say nuclear weapons don't exist. I don't believe in that. I lived in Kazakhstan for three years, 120 kilometers from Semay, Semipalatinsk. I lived in Semay, which is 120 kilometers from the polygon, the principal Soviet nuclear test site, which I actually visited. I went to ground zero at a Geiger counter, it was radioactive. And so I do think nukes exist. But I think the idea of a nuclear winter is hyped. I don't necessarily believe that. I think the effects would be more localized and that we could come back from a nuclear war. So it's your thoughts on the geopolitical aspect of this, you know, the biodefense industry where they want to create sort of a 21st century of the of the nuclear threat, but using this stuff you've been talking about, you know. Well, one of the things that I think is more most important for anyone who's just getting into this to realize is that the the study of viruses, the study of nuclear weapons and the study of radiation was all tied together under the US Department of Energy back in the 50s. So one of the ideas in early biology of the clandestine portions of the American government was that radiation could be used to accelerate evolution because it causes point mutation. If we took viruses and we irradiated them, we could accelerate their evolution and essentially create new pathogens, new bio weapons, and we could also accelerate human evolution. And so for more than 10 years, there was a significant amount of black budget devoted to exploring how radiation interacts with cell cultures, animals, soldiers, et cetera. And then on the other side, of course, there was the development of nuclear power and nuclear weapons. But the idea that nuclear energy could be used to augment life was pursued to the end. I mean, all the way to the end on every one of these research lines before they realized that essentially they were just destroying DNA and that there was no real good laboratory model where you could use use radiation effectively to to augment anything. You just kill stuff with it. But my point being here that in all of these scenarios, it benefits the the acquisition of funding. It benefits the the continued classification of this work as secret, and it benefits the governing body in general, the more confusion and misunderstanding surrounds these ideas. So the more we think that impending doom exists, the more power these ideas have. And so the argument might be that let's say we figured out how to make a nuclear weapon and really realize that a super tiny one could already make a whole the size of New York City. Well, we shouldn't probably tell the public that because then we'll be able to make any nuclear weapons because they will know how dangerous they are. So you would have to in a way, the myth has to be controlled and you can't just tell everybody what's going on. And so just from my very simple common sense perspective, it makes perfect sense to me that there would be nuclear weapons. That's fine with me. It also makes sense that they would be able to do things that conventional weapons, no matter how many kilotons you have, might be exceeded by these nuclear type weapons. But it would also make perfect sense to me that after they found that and discovered it and even proved that they could do it, they would never make 10,000. They would just tell you that they did in order so that both countries could enact this kind of governance, which on the surface looks like we're going to spend more money than you on bombs until you'll stop spending money on bombs and then we'll not shoot each other because we can both destroy the world when in reality that doesn't really make sense. It's like saying that I'm going to protect my neighbor by buying more and more and more and more and more guns. And somehow or another, they were able to convince us that that made sense, whereas the gun argument does not. And I think that's where the gray area with nuclear weapons is. I mean, if they had a hundred each already, you know, we're talking about absurdity. And so the idea that at some point in my lifetime, there were movies made about there being, you know, an armament of 6,000 ICBMs aimed at an armament of 9,000 ICBMs and that we could destroy the earth seven or eight times over just it doesn't make logical sense except from the perspective of making sure that everyone that heard that story and couldn't use their common sense to dispel it would be paralyzed by it. And you could do that with kids in the school, you know, take them in the hallway and have them put their head in between their legs, show them a few explosions and then have Sting make a song. And now everybody thinks that the Russians, you know, are thinking about killing us too. And it benefited both sides. So but like the no virus stance, I think it's very dangerous to say that there are no nuclear weapons. Even if in the end, we find out that it wasn't that we don't have any nuclear weapons, let's find that out first. Let's not start with declaring that I think. And I think with no viruses, that's the most that's the most parsimonious way to go about this that not for 60 years, all the biologists were lying, but that a lot of the biologists were misinterpreting their data were being funded to misinterpret their data, perhaps were being discouraged from looking at alternative interpretations of their data. And after 20 years or so, virology was permanently at least a coronavirus wing of biology was completely distorted because it just became common to use RNA infectious clone as a as a laboratory proxy. And so then you can tell any story you want to. And that's what they did. They published a number of papers, which laid this foundation for a the pretense that coronavirus had pandemic potential. And that you can see in all their writing. It's a story they've been trying to tell for a very long time. And all the real data points are made with RNA infectious clones. And then at some point, you know, one's gotten out. And so the Scooby Doo story is to look back and say, well, they were already making these in 2015.

And of course, it was theirs without ever realizing that a coronavirus is incapable of doing it. So if a coronavirus can't do it, then that means at least most of the deaths weren't weren't related to this. So that the question now becomes I think these are the most important questions that I'm trying to answer right now is that is the sequencing data real? And how is it that it could be real but be used against us? And I think the best short answer I've come up for that one is, is that you just delete sequences that don't fit your narrative. You don't have to add sequences. You just have to select sequences through a sort of filter and make sure that they're only ones that pass your phylogenetic requirements are put into the database and everything else is rejected as a negative. I don't have any evidence for that. I'm just trying to come up with a way that all of this sequencing data is real. That there is a virus back there may have been there for years. And now they're just telling us that it's there and they told us it's there by shooting up a flare in a few places in the world. The other alternative is that the sequencing data is largely incorrect and I just don't see how that's plausible. So it's enticing to just say that you know meta sequencing sucks but I think that's a real easy way out and there are a lot of molecular biologists that have been taking the time to talk to me behind the scenes and they I think are mostly genuine people trying to help me understand this and themselves understand this as well and they are also kind of a large group of people is kind of under the assumption that all the sequencing can't be wrong. So there's clearly a SARS SARS 2 coronavirus that people are infected with or is present in these PCR tests at least as they do them. I think the real the real scrutiny needs to be applied to the sequencing now and if the sequencing really works like a lot of these molecular biologists tell me then we have to go back to first principles and saying that every SARS 1 suspected case that ended up counting as a case was full genome sequenced and we have not met that standard in this pandemic by any stretch of the imagination and that has allowed us to be fooled by the magnitude of the pandemic and now the question is why is it that so many people are complacent in the fooling. For example can I ask you a question how much does the use of remdesivir figure into your understanding of the deaths in the pandemic in America? No I viewed a lot of the deaths were the hospital protocols like remdesivir and the oxygen whatever you know that sort of thing. Good good good because that's part of you know what goes wrong in the layman's kitchen is that if you if you can't get those proportions correct then it's very easy for the for the layman's imagination to go yeah a lot of virus and a little bit of bad ideas you know when in reality there can't be a lot of virus and so it has to be a lot of bad ideas and a little virus and then you see that the the kind of malfeasance we're chasing is extremely different. It's not it's not Peter Daszak being a dumb dumb in a laboratory with and funding the wrong lab that's not how this happened this is a much larger orchestration of bad choices and and not forced ones that's the scary part it's not forced ones there the people that yeah it's it's I don't want to attribute I I fall into that trap a lot of trying to explain what people are thinking or what people are doing or why they're it's bad guys or good guys but you know a year ago we couldn't make that but I think three years we're three years in we have to scratch our head and wonder why we're doing it still like this there's something very very wrong sinister and just to comment on the no virus thing I mean some some listeners right now are gonna get angry with me but it's fine I get pooped on from all directions but I just and I found that no virus people are the most zealous zealous almost cult-like because you don't get it from the people who say oh it's a bioweapon or all the different scenarios and but the thing that gets me I can believe that I mean COVID was not a virus and it was all manufactured okay I can go with that but they have further gone and they throw the baby out with the bath water sort of as you say and they say infectious disease never existed pestilence plague contagion doesn't exist when I know from my very well experience you know infectious disease exists and that's the thing where it gets me where guys I mean you've gone too too far you know and any thought on that yeah that I think you summarize it perfectly I think it's it is a and I've been trying to say this on my stream it is a bit of a trap and for some reason I don't know if they're they're part of this or not I don't know how to really think about it but some of the level of disingenuousness that exists on that side in particular is extraordinary because as I tried to say earlier although I guess I probably didn't say it very well but they're very meticulous when it comes to looking at viral papers and pointing out the incongruencies between the control group and the experimental group but more than a few of these people have pointed to a woman by the name of Veda Austin who takes water from people's bottles and freezes it and then it gives them messages in the form of an image that she can you know show you pictures of and say that water has all this emotional memory these same people who want you to take their scrutiny of virology seriously seem to not apply any scrutiny to some of the other people that they that they co-promote which is so bizarre to me and so obviously fabricated I don't even know how to say it any other way but but if you if you can dedicate a whole hour to giving a meticulous presentation about how coronavirus 2 was never isolated and that they're missing the proper controls but then pivot almost in a slide to water memory and then not mention that Luc Montagnier was working on water memory in a very specific form with reference to DNA dilutions but focus exclusively on this you know pictures and images of emotions it seems so so patently obvious that there's a game happening here it's just I think we might be getting very close to touching the scenery on this theater and so once we get this close it doesn't really stand up to scrutiny at all whereas maybe in the the extent of the illusion here is is not to be underestimated either I think everywhere that I've that I've pushed I've found significant problems which is one of the reasons why you know I slowly got to the stage where I attributed less and less of the total reality to a virus and that's that's really how someone should get to the stage where you and I are I think is by trying to reverse the equation okay so how many people died of this bad idea how many people died of this bad idea how many people would have died of this bad idea how do they explain these deaths and then you realize that there's really not very much left except for in specific places with specific symptoms that you need to say well he definitely had something that person definitely had something those five people all had something they were all sequenced they all were this then fine but we cannot underestimate how many people we're being told fell into those very concrete obvious categories of covid disease when in reality they did not most of us have forgotten that that every state had their health health uh secretary go on tv at some point in 2020 to explain that we're right now we're counting everybody and still rick bright went in front of congress yesterday and said that in america 1.6 million people have been killed and five some million people around the western world have been killed even though he also knows that for the first year and a half we were counting everyone that was pcr positive when we were only using emergency use authorized pcr tests which most of which aren't even there anymore could never be reinvestigated or replicated or invest uh looked at in retrospect and they're all gone some of those companies don't even exist anymore and so that part of the narrative has been so scrubbed that it's it's gonna be hard for us to convince some of our more entrapped friends and family to to accept that you know what you know about three years ago matters that's that's a that's a hard bend for for people that could barely pay attention to their bills every month to think remember how they lied to you three years ago and then how those lies changed two years ago and then how those lines changed a year and a half ago and then those how those lies have changed this year and how they're changing again that's a really hard narrative to tell and so that's where we're struggling right now we're so far away from what those people have come to understand as reality that it it's a it's an earth-shattering distance for some of those people to cross and so it's very easy to get them to not dare to cross by waving from them on the other side and saying there's no virus over here so then they will they they see that and like wow i can't i can't i can't deal with that and i think that's the main effect that these no virus people have is that they they make it very hard for people to start their critical thinking engine without thinking well that's obviously wrong and then you know you and i anybody that labels us as no virus um we have this this stigma as well it's that easy it's it's it's become the the pandemic version of anti-vaccine anti-vaxxer is now a no no virus person and the moment that i said this stream that gave this talk that you said that you cited uh from a couple weeks ago people were saying that i was a no virus guy when i'm not i mean i'm not at all i'm saying it's for sure it has to be if there was a virus that had to come from a lab and it was a clone for sure um i'm just saying that even if it was a clone um it could never have been responsible for the majority of deaths that we are we are attributing to it and i think that the people who are running this show are well aware of that and that's what makes this so malevolent and i i've just been noticing a trend though that's kind of unnerving especially from the last couple years where you get this sort of guilt by association that you're uh referencing where you have the q and on stuff and then you've got the flat earth stuff and then you've got no virus stuff and it just and then uh i'm constantly being flooded with these uh pro-nazi anti-semitic people in in my like telegram chat and i'm having to delete it because it seems like someone people that are getting close to what's really going on they're trying to throw poop on us to associate you know with all of these wacky theories so then people would not uh listen to us so i just i i'm just wanting to point out there's this unnerving trend like i don't i believe q and on was a you know intelligence operation i don't believe in flat earth and i don't believe in no virus but it's just kind of weird this this pattern that's that's uh starting to appear and then you know any final thoughts and the future is as you said this is they're not letting up on this myth this this pandemic uh narrative the our governments are doubling down uh they're talking about camel flu and the hellhound flu and i don't know what and you've got the who working on this pandemic treaty um and they want to create this you know one health stuff like a global digital passport and they just keep pushing this along and so just your thoughts on the road ahead yeah the road ahead is very very gray um unfortunately i think the road ahead and the solutions that i would advocate for often have keywords that i think eventually are going to become flagged um i think one very good possibility would be some independence among the states in america um to prevent a nationwide set of regulations involving ids and that kind of thing um but i don't know if you're aware the the us already has this real id law in effect so that i think it's in 2023 that everybody in america is going to have to have some kind of rfid chip in their driver's license which may or may not have information on it to begin with but it's already there is a possibility if it's it's a blank notebook on your on your driver's license that they could put your records in in another year once everybody's got one i think that's one of the that's one of the reasons why florida's governor was allowed to be so outspoken and they made such a big public deal of people moving to florida is because when you move to florida you already have a real id in your driver's license because they already adopted it two years ago so i think there's a few tricks that have been played on people and there's there's a few more tricks that are going to be played in the next couple years um one of the things that i said in 2020 at the transition between trump and biden was that they were going to wreck us this year by revealing that the that the elections were fraudulent and it turned out to be wrong um they did not do that but i think that's still very possible and in fact it would be very interesting for them to do that in light of a trump or desantis loss and then to reveal that in the end it turns out that the biden election was uh was fraudulent in some way um maybe for national security reasons they can't reveal that until biden is no longer president or some nonsense like this but i do think there is going to be a kind of a kind of of scandal in the american government that will that will permanently put a schism between the tv accepting left and the kind of crazy conspiracy nationalists on the right and the anybody who tries to take the middle ground will be will be not on tv and you'll never hear it um and they'll see what happens i don't really know honestly i think more pain is in in store and so um i think the most important thing for our viewers and our listeners to realize is is that um by pursuing an understanding of this um you can mitigate some of the stress that will come from not knowing what's going to happen next all of us are going to be in this continuous state of you know unrest and whatever but to minimize that you can try and pay attention you can try and learn the biology you can try and understand so that you can accurately identify the hyperbole so that you can you know listen to transhumanism without getting sick um and so that you can you know engage with your friends and family without immediately feeling enraged or or frustrated or rolling your eyes but instead you can find some space for for sympathy and and um and love because i do think that you know like a uh a friend who might have an abusive spouse um it's not going to do you any good to just say hey you got to divorce him and and that's it you know you're going to have to be a friend and you're going to have to listen and you're going to have to repeat over and over again that there's an alternative um and and i think with our family and friends we're going to have to keep remembering what happened being able to tell the story when we're when we're asked to um and tell it in such a way that continues to plant seeds of doubt in the people that still look to the tv for some comfort and uh and hope for the best right i mean we can also try to raise our kids to understand this which is also very important because as i said in the beginning or in the middle i do think the play is really not on us the play is is is on our children and the young people if if only to get them to say just do it dad you know just do it um i think that's where we are and so we've got to make kids understand that convenience is not a good reason to adopt things um we got to make kids understand that taking responsibility for understanding is what adults do um and we've got to make kids understand what informed consent is from a world war two nazi nuremberg belmont report perspective i think they need to understand the foundation of of western values is that you have responsibility for your own actions and your own choices and your freedom is defined on that responsibility and and kids need to understand that as they go forward so that they become adults that shoulder that responsibility rather than offload it on facebook and the tv i i think that's a key point you're making that the target the focus i think they care less about us middle-aged and and older folk but it's the the kids and from 20 uh i was teaching virtually from the last um my last year of teaching kazakhstan um from 20 late 2020 2021 and the kazakh high school kids um that i was talking with from here they already busted out you know the the koba digital app in in kazakhstan it's called the ashiq app and back then they couldn't even go to in the coffee shop in kazakhstan without scanning the qr code and i'm asking them like like are you okay every teen they saw nothing wrong with it at all they were totally okay um and i think that's going to what you're saying that the young people do not question at all the these tech applications or qr codes and that's the great danger because if if if it gets accepted by majority with this next generation we're completely uh screwed and uh yeah and uh other thoughts i guess yeah i think we covered a lot of ground there and um you're you're banned uh i think you've been banned in a lot of places twitter and uh youtube uh i think you're on twitch and your website where are the best places for people to still find you online yeah i'm streaming on twitch twitch hasn't given me any problem and my twitch handle is just giga ohm biological one word and then i also have which is just a place where you can find all the stuff technically speaking i'm not banned on youtube it's just that if i do my stream on youtube it'll get bounced so i still have some of my old videos that are up there which are part of the scooby doo where i was still riding on my bike saying oh my gosh it's a lab leak it's a lab leak um but i think they're they're a nice historical document that that sort of you know documents really what happened and how it happened and um and and i think i'm still going to be looking back in retrospect on this aspect of our this this time in our lives uh for many years to come it's really you know the chinese have that saying you know may you live in interesting times and dare i say we might be living in the most interesting times in modern history right now and so it feels good in a sense because i i think you sense it as well that that when you get when you get the chance and i i have the chance and you obviously have the chance to produce media which which is a vehicle for you to to to it's almost a therapeutic thing to try and explore reality in this way not everybody has the privilege of of making content and talking to people and have people watch it so i'm really grateful for my audience i'm really grateful for your audience and your invitation to meet them um and uh i just hope somehow or another this form of media which you are a part of and i am a part of starts to be dominate the way that that humans share information because i think that decentralization of thinking is what's going to to help us avoid what appears to be a very malignant hive mind that's after us all yeah hopefully the sensors don't uh succeed and we can somehow push forward um all right well uh Jay your links will be in the description and uh you keep up the great work and thank you for being on geopolitics and empire thank you very much man for having me i hope you enjoyed this geopolitics and empire podcast the website is and i encourage you to sign up to the free email list that notifies you of every new podcast and other important updates the email list and website are our last lines of defense we're being censored and deplatformed it's almost impossible to find geopolitics and empire on the google search engine we've been blacklisted youtube frequently strikes videos 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